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that require a compromise. john boehner got endorsements on this plan. grover norquist dropped his tax opposition. boehner himself said many in his caucus were worried about primaries. >> grover norquist ds not have the power. essentially, he started to backpedadal on the meaning of the edge. it is absole nonsense. those conservaves do not owe their allegiance to grovover norquist. >> did he create something that he can no longer control? the power of the original tax plededge seems to ill resonate with many of these members. >> there are plenty of people who picked up that banner. i t think there is a commitnt to that pledge that goes fa beyond grover norquist. >> those conservative members of congress have a mandate just the way president obama does. so does speaker boehner. whenr. obabama comes down pennsylvania anue and does something he hasas never been inclined to do, put together aa coalition in the middle of whatever moderate democrats and republblicans he confined, get off his high horse about spending, and make those compromisises that he needs to make, he is not going to win
are a co-founder of the club for growth. you sort of subscribe to that grover norquist idea that don't raise taxes. option number two in the scenario that i put forward, republicans end up being dared to vote against the president's plan. again, forget the politics. forget what jessica said about procedurally not getting there. the point president obama is trying to make is he wants everybody to vote one way or the other, up or down. the idea is republicans will be forced to vote one way or the other on extending the push tax cuts for people making below $250,000 a year. >> yeah. ? and by definition making taxes go up on those earning above that. would republicans be forced to vote for the president's plan to avoid being blamed for rates rising on most taxpayers and going over the fiscal cliff? >> well, a couple thing, ali. first of all, i think the outlines of that deal you just described are probably where they're headed, although i don't think that mitch mcconnell and harry reid -- i hear they're negotiating maybe a little higher income threshold, so maybe not $250,000, maybe $400
and see what happens? second. you then go to distractions. the current distractions is grover norquist. i have known grover norquist for a long time. i think he's a fine person. he hold know elective office. and in fact, he wasn't elected president. he is the president of united states who is responsibility for figuring how to solve our problems who is not offered a single serious cost consulting measure. tell me what you think barack obama is going to go to the house and senate democrats and say i need a yes vote on this. instead of dealing with the fact that the president of the united states is once again totally failing to provide leadership, the president has gotten us worried about whether grover norquist defines the republican party. as we know, if we are not worthy of the news media's respect and love we are a party that disappear. listen to the tone of the language when you watch the morning joe or, you know, "fox & friends." are often the whole thing and i want to make two points and the norquist. he did something important. he came up with the idea a no tax increase pledge as a
with newark mayor cory booker, anti-tax activist and nra board member grover norquist, peggy noonan of "the wall street journal" and katrina vanden heuvel from "the nation." >>> hello, again. the president and congress are off for christmas fleeing a capitol filled with political rancor and political dysfunction. fiscal cliff talks have completely collapsed. questions about the president's new national security team has forced him to announce the appointments piecemeal and the nra's first response to the tragedy in newtown provoked a fierce debate. we'll cover that starting with the nra's choice to lead a national effort to protect schools, former congressman, asa hutchinson. good morning, mr. hutchinson. thanks for joining us this morning. >> hi. >> you emphasized at the press conference friday you will be independent. but as you begin your effort, this national school shield, initiative, i wonder if you agree with the analysis of the problem laid out by wayne lapierre who says americans have to face this truth. take a look. >> politicians pass laws for gun-free school zones, and in doing
it. >> our old hopes of rising above just a lost cause at this stage. grover norquist, the president for americans for tax reform is coming on the show next because almost every republican member of congress has signed his pledge not to raise taxes. we'll get his take at what is i would say a very critical juncture. >> and also estate taxes scheduled to jump from 15% to 35% with montana land values more than doubling in past decades. farmers and ranchers are up in arms because the impact estate tax would have on their ability to hang on to their land. we'll speak with one of them coming up in the next half hour. >> also weighing in is outgoing montana governor brian schitser who was a farmer and rancher himself so he should know a thing or two about that. >> plus, health care sunday the microscope right now. we'll find out if this year's winners can carry their mojo into next year. you're watching cnbc, first in business worldwide. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah,
anything. they have stuck with their grover norquist position they're not going it raise taxes on anybody. when the whole plan "b" thing went up, they passed some spending stuff barely and when we were supposed to deal with the tax stuff at a million they couldn't even bring it up for a vote. i have no idea what mitch mcconnell is talking about. it seems to be nothing more than political posturing, but i want to say nobody is trying to put this on john boehner. it's on boehner. he's the speaker, and so it's not of a political bringsmanship or gamesmanship. it's the fact. >> it seems the strategy here, boehner obviously kind of said and i think he's been called out for this, said it's up to the president and the senate. i give up, we're leaving town. i guess now they're going to come back sunday, as if that's going to create some sense of urgency. what strikes me is the message that continues to come forward is the american people are going to -- believe that the president and democrats are showing real leadership and they will blame the republicans if this deal goes south, and yet when yo
to grover norquist instead of the american people. is grover norquist still relevant today? it seems the republicans are doing whatever they can to make sure the wealthiest americans don't get tax breaks. they should do what's good for the american people. they are afraid if they go against the pledge that they made to grover norquist, that grover norquist will do whatever he can to make sure these republicans lose their seats. thank you. guest: thanks for your call. i know grover norquist and consider him a friend. we don't agree on much politically, but that is washington. you don't let politics come in friends. it amuses me that he has become the person for the left like george soros has been for the right. grover norquist is a symbol. why do people listened to him? because he raises money. if you go out and raise money for your particular party or candidate or cause, people will give you a brand new respect as well. he knows how to raise money and is a very good -- very good at -- icity and raising its co promoting his cause. so that gives you assert amount of clout and influence
as well. >> let's start in the bay state. number two, we've got grover norquist versus the gop. and here's what's fascinating. he's been a major player, a huge figure, and yet the push back has been growing. the tide has been swelling. take a look at this montage clip of republicans pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >> he's becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up. >> a pledge you sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. >> i'm going to be the one to determine what a tax increase is. grover norquist is not going to determine what a tax increase is. >> message seems clear. don't fear the grover. that echoes throughout the upper echelons of the gop. >> boehner put tax revenues on the table and we heard nothing from norquist. this is a false drama, manufactured by people like you who can't stand norquist. >> people like me? just because the emperor's weari
pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >> he's becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up. >> a pledge you sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. >> i'm going to be the one to determine what a tax increase is. grover norquist is not going to determine what a tax increase is. >> message seems clear. don't fear the grover. that echoes throughout the upper echelons of the gop. >> boehner tput tax revenues on the table and we heard nothing from norquist. this is a false drama, manufactured by people like you who can't stand norquist. >> people like me? >> the fiscal cliff is a big deal because it's kind of like a vampire and garlic. once you go over the cliff, tax rate go up so much, anything is a tax cut beyond nat. the thing is if you're actually raising taxes from a current policy tax line, you would violate his pledge, but once they go up automatically, cutti
, and upheld obama care. next, those republicans in congress who broke publicly with grover norquist to support the idea of higher tax rates on the healthy, or, bobby and wallace edwards, parents of john edwards, who trooped behind him every day to that north carolina courthouse to stand with their son. or, was it this -- >> one nation, under god, indivisible, liberty and justice for all! [cheers and applause] chris: gabby giffords who survived an assassination attempt. sam? >> gabby giffords, when she did that, my heart sank. this brave woman coming back from -- she should have been dead. how did she survive? chris: she decided not to run for re-election and she knew she wasn't up for it. >> she made the right decision. chris: what about backbone? >> a republican hasn't voted for a tax increase in congress since 1990 and in the last couple of weeks republicans have talked about and said they're for tax rate increases. that is is a huge sea change in that party, the beginning of wisdom on physical sanity. >> gabby giffords, she did it with a smile. that took a lot of guts to get in front of tha
. if $6.7 billion had to be raised from new taxes, then, of course, grover norquist would use all of his powers to oppose those taxes. grover norquist, who is, of course, a member of the board of the national rifle association. so the ceo of the nra took to a microphone in washington today to suggest a solution to the massacres of children in our schools and the solution is something he and his friends would not be willing to pay for. and he and his friends would attack any politician who attempted to pay for it. he reached for a variety of ways to make his point. >> we care about our money. so we protect our banks with armed guards. >> i don't know about you, but i cannot remember the last time i was in a bank that had an armed guard. all banks had them when i was a kid. and the armed guards couldn't stop bank robberies then. what stopped bank robberies in america was not armed guards. it was video cameras and automatic locking saves that cannot be opened no matter how much you scare a teller with a gun. i'm not just talking about small town banks that i go into. new york city banks do
. the first time and there are 500 billion in tax hikes coming your way. december 31. grover norquist from the president of americans for tax reform are warning that that is only the start of our problem. >> in addition to the bush tax cuts, 500 billion-dollar tax increases, a trillion dollars in obamacare taxes, all the taxes to pay for that free health care we are supposed to get. 90% of the tax increases to pay for obamacare were convenient postponed until after obama got himself safely reelected. they begin to hit january 1 of this coming year. they are unpleasant. gerri: absolutely unpleasant. it is a disincentive to invest into work. i don't know what people are going to do down the road. now it seems that people are saying it's up to the senate. it in the senate ballpark now to do something and to get some kind of bill. will they do anything at all? >> all the focus has been on president obama and the house of representatives. the leader, speaker boehner. some of us went to public school, but i still learned that there is a senate involved in all of this. [laughter] for the last thr
comment, grover norquist joins us now. let's stay on this other thing. they have known for a couple of days the president would likely, leave hawaii, fly in, drop and washington, d.c., and try to save america from falling off the fiscal cliff. how does the president when this optics war, grover? >> it is all politics. he has not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. republicans have actually passen plan a, bu the ryan budget, the ryan plan. ent saving transit dollars over the decade. it reforms taxes, does not raise it, reforms that without raising taxes on people. so that is a plan that is passed in the house of representatives in the house of representatives republicans in the senate. the alternative to that is nothing. eric: we know that will not pass the senate and we know the white house will not sign it. here is what my contention has been. allow me. work with me. very important question at the end of this. we go off the cliff, all the tax cuts expire, sequestration,ick whatever. here is the question though. if president obama then says i will put in the tax cuts f
republicans still beholden to grover norquist and that ridiculous pledge want no compromise at all. the debate between the two sides centers around a balanced approach to the budget. republicans say president obama wants too much revenue. that's taxes in normal speak. and not enough cuts. >> at some point we have to address the spending problem we have. we can't cut our way to prosperity. we need real economic growth. many of us believe on both sides of the aisle the fundamental reform of our tax code will help us get your economy moving faster and put more americans back to work. how we get there god only knows. >> president obama doesn't see it that way. >> at some point there's got to be i think a recognition on the part of my republican friends th that, you know, take the deal. they will be able to claim that they have worked with me over the last two years to reduce the deficit more than any other deficit reduction package. >> the ceo of pimco, one of the world's largest investors in bonds. mark standee is chief investor at moody's. and christine romans, host of "your bottom line." gdp, t
to be a year. we talk about actually represented grover norquist whochs the guru had given it a thumbs up, and yet, still because he gave it a stamp of approval it does not pass the smell test for certain republicans because they say, well, this is a tax hike, and we can't have any new tax hikes whatsoever. >> well, clearly, i mean, john boehner calculated. it turned out to be wrong, and a lot of people thought it was right that the senate and the house would all go for a tax increase on income over $1 million as a fallback. knowing that all taxes go up in seven more days anyway. the fact that grover norquist was willing to negotiate on that, he recognized that they had no bargaining strength here. they might as well take what they can get. didn't matter. there are just enough members in the house caucus who are afraid of those primaries coming up in two years, and they're just not going to put their stamp of approval on a single tax increase even if it's for less than one-half of 1% of the people. >> steve ttoma and -- thank you so much. i appreciate your time. >> thanks. >> now to the o
-- >> they cannot cross over the threshold that has been built by grover norquist. >> well, harry reid says he is the reason there is no deal on the fiscal cliff. we're going to ask grover norquist himself if there's any room for compromise when he joins us live. you've got to stay with us right here on the "closing bell." we're now down 133 points on the dow. [ rosa ] i'm rosa and i quit smoking with chantix. when the doctor told me that i could smoke for the first week... i'm like...yeah, ok... little did i know that one week later i wasn't smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin react
of all the games going on and there are you, grover norquist, a very bright guy still resolutely saying a pledge is a pledge is a pledge, it cannot be broken when many of your own party are now saying you know, what it doesn't make sense to have this irresolute position anymore. >> two things, the pledge is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it -- shame on him as the "new york sun" says tonight. i hope his wife understands commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> whoa, hang on, hang on. that was a bit below the belt, grover. >> hey, if you think a commitment is not for as long as you make it for, the commitment for the pledge as peter king well knows when he signed it is as long as you're in congress you will rein in spending and reform government, not raise taxes. it's not for 500 years or two generations. it's only as long as you're in the house or the senate. if he stayed too long, that's his problem. but you don't tell the bank, oh, the mortgage, wasn't that long time ago? if you make a commitme
norquist had said never cut any spending? i'm going to sign a bill that says never cut and spending. grover norquist, here's a great example, he does not even believe in economic case multipliers. host: gary says -- guest: what's interesting about the last election cycles is we had under president bush and the end, democrats seized control of congress in big numbers. and we had the big democratic sweep with the white house in 2008. 2010, republicans came sweeping back. we've had a pendulum swing, very contractive time period. that's one of the factors. we have seen both sides really dug in because they don't know where the pendulum will swing in the next direction. host: from one of our viewers -- on facebook -- guest: that's right. one of the points she raises is it's easy to look and collectors and say we will just drop 10% of this program and 20% off that program. but when you get down to the individual programs, we're talking state and local police departments, fire departments, teachers' pay, all sorts of programs that have different constituencies that you would feel the impact of som
and a lot of misinformation. harry reid is still blaming grover norquist. send him a memo that norquist took himself out of the discussion a week ago when he backed the house republican plan "b." it's like the old stale talking points. for me, the big picture if you take a step back from this, the big picture story here is one of misplaced outrage. media folks with the commentators on all sides complaining there is a lack of compromise. we need comedy in washington. everybody should come together as starbucks barristas want. the real outrage is what started as an effort to trim the size and scope of government, the push tax cuts a decade ago or whether it was the debate over the debt ceiling, just over a year ago, is going to likely end up at asen effort to expand the size and scope of government. that is something that can only happen in washington. you have people that come together to limit government and bunch of contortions and missed opportunities and bad negotiating, it becomes a de facto expansion of government. >> charles? >> well, you know, there are two events that will happen jan
comment not sitting well with grover norquist who joins us now. let me stay on this other thing, they've known a couple days the president would like likely life hawaii and dropped into washington, d.c. and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plan a, the ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxes on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the house of representatives and has strong support among republicans in the senate. the alternative is nothing. >> we know that's not going to pass the senate and we also know the white house isn't going to sign that. move on. my contention is after -- >> allow me. >> work with me. it's an important question. let's say president obama says we're going off the fiscal cliff. we go off the cliff. tax cuts
, but the philosophies main spokesman is this man, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. his pledge signed by almost all republicans in congress forbid signatories from raising taxes ever under any circumstances. things come to ahead in the summer of 2011. they demand they reduce deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. without a deal shs the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. republicans and democrats deploy tactics that shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit raid raiting for the first time in history. in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to a trillion dollars in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across-the-board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect starting january 2013. at the exact moment when the bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would expire. the point is we could have all seen this coming. some of us did. we yelled but we were drown ou
yesterday on cnn if a -- grover norquist made the comments yesterday on cnn. >>> new this morning, 7-eleven trying to get healthier. the chain is in the process of introducing more nutritious items. that includes yogurt parfaits and lean turkey sandwiches. 7-eleven wants 20% sales to come from fresh foods byb7ñ the end of 2015. also retooling old favorites. jelly doughnuts sold in miniature versions. >>> that ipad under your tree may already be out-of-date. a japanese tech blog reports a new version of the popular tablet will hit stores in march, the blog says the new ipad will be thinner and lighter than the last, possibly as thin as the ipad mini. >> here's bloomberg reporter deborah costra. >>> good morning. merry christmas if you want to keep holidays merry and avoid unexpected medical bills remove all medications from cabinets into a secure area to protect loved ones who might be visiting, they can be taken by mistake or worse. more than half of the people addicted to prescription drugs got them from family and families and unfortunately, for free. meantime, ups taking a break after t
in the conservative movement. you saw the grover norquist groups fracturing on this issue. you saw -- you've seen the freedom works coming out in favor of what john boehner was doing and having to take it back there is chaos even in the conservative movement, which is traditionally where the republican party has looked when they're weak. >> and it also means that you can't -- you can't do this basic deal-making. and the grand irony here i think is once again, republican obstruction will save progressives from barack obama doing something that they didn't want done. there was a moment of time back when we go back to after scott brown was elected, there are voices in the white house going small on the affordable care act. and the other voices are saying well, the republicans are going to kill you either way. and the republicans could have jumped into that opportunity and they didn't. and what they got as a result was the big enchilada affordable care act. now the tea party is going to have ended up killing that possible compromise. >> that's right. and taking whatever harry reid gives them. >> yeah
and grover norquist gives a thumbs up to up? >> i don't think that was the strategy a week ago. i think the speaker was trying to put the deal together, as we've seen the senate not -- i think that may become the strategy. i've always thought they would wait until the last hour, put a band eight on it, but wait until the iii so they can vote for a tax cut makes sense as well. >> marjorie, there will be people on the left looking at this. this is basically a clean late. does the left look at this as a way for the president to stand firm in the fact that in one federal voice he was reelected on taxes going up. so is this going to be palatability to the left if the president is standing firm? >> absolutely. you've seen his numbers have increased since the election and also increased in how people view his handling of the fiscal cliff, while attitudes towards republicans are consistently bad and the blame and disapproval is only growing for them. it's costing them in the polls and at the polls this crisis of leadership, this consistent blocking that every obama has tried to do. it's really
will vote against this, grover norquist says boehner's plan b wouldn't raise taxes. under current law, the rates are set to go up. >> we'll talk to you again, soon, i'm sure, even if it's not that soon it will be in february or march when we have to revisit this all over again. gentlemen, thank you so much. >> take care. >>> a new here no our viewers, you don't want to miss "meet the press," david gregory sitting down with president obama. check local listings for "meet the press" tomorrow morning. >>> turn to weather now. another winter storm. marching north, promising snow. right now, crews and homeowners getting ready in pennsylvania. in massachusetts, coastal residents trying to secure their homes after the last storm, washed way some 20 feet of sand. people are hoping for cooler temperatures and fresh snow in some ski resorts. looking at this in rhode island. meteorologist dylan dreyer with the forecast. >> thanks, c.j. good morning. we're talking about more snow in the northeast. this time around, more of a new england snowstorm, especially southeastern new england. right now, t
is slowly, grover norquist, anti-tax pledge, which is no way to run a business or the government. revenues are important if you understand a balance sheet. and that thing has haunted us for a long time and is slowly losing. >> krystal ball, the biggest loser. >> mine in part, karl rove, people thought if they didn't like him, he was very smart. he exposed himself to not be very smart on election night over at that other network. >> we only have two people left who may please me by choosing donald trump. alex wagner, the biggest loser of 2012? >> donald trump -- >> correct, correct, you get the ipad. >> i hate to disappoint you, it is shelden addelson -- the house lost. >> steve. >> i want an ipad, but the big loser, the name for generations, the gold standard in public opinion polling. gallup, all of october, on election day said romney has an advantage, going to win this, and people are going to look more skepticalally at the gallup polls. >> let's see if silver comes up in the category, biggest winner, again, i'm going to go first, because once again, i couldn't be more obvious. i just t
, just want to tax everything. and republicans who totally grover norquist taxes, they hate them, that is not true. to a degree that kind of disturbs me, actually, the two parties mostly agree on keeping the bush tax cuts. up to $250,000 in income, which is a lot of income. republicans and democrats want to keep all the bush tax cuts. that's way more than 80% of all the bush tax cuts. they agree on all of that, no argument. where they disagree is democrats want to raise taxes on any income over 250,000. and they'll accept at this point 400,000. and republicans, though, this is what people don't always know, republicans want to raise taxes too, they want to raise them on poor people. they want to let the stimulus tax cuts expire. those are tax cuts that are helping poor and middle tax cuts. a family may get $60,000 will see a tax increase of almost $1,000. the white house opposes that tax increase. that is the shape of the disagreement on taxes. democrats want to raise them on the rich, republicans want to raise them on the poor. that is where the fight is happening number four. a
've still tried in any way they could to undermine him. i'm looking at grover norquist who says we had an election. boehner was elected speaker. now lame duck obama should get over it. first of all, boehner wasn't elected peeker. and he's also implying that the president doesn't have a mandate. it's the president and the democrats who won the election. the president won by 5 million votes. democrats expanded their majority in the senate and the house democrats earned 1.4 34i8on votes than the gop candidates. boehner is e let the record reflect elected by the republican caucus. this is what makes me not know what they'll do. >> when i said in the top of the show, who's pulling thestri ini are the big donors. these people don't care if we go over the fiscal deadline. that's why they're so cavalier about it. they are trying to redistribute this country's wealth along the lines of more fuel for the wealthy. i think we've got to resist this because what they're trying to do is really make it so that the average american worker is cost competitive with the average chinese worker. we can't ha
, that there are those good intentions that never through. >> all of the republicans will hear grover norquist recite over and over, every time they promise spending cuts in exchange for tax hikes, the tax hikes came, the spending cuts never came. >> and how long will the road be in terms of what the subpoenaing cuts might or might not be? that will prolong the uncertainty in the market. and with the ceo conference call in the 6:00 hour, that should be very interesting. will we feel the effect of this in the first quarter earnings and gdp, other economic data points. >> it puts republican caucus in the house in the position of having to decide whether no deal is better than a bad deal. >> you know, melissa, if i could chime in, one thing, you didn't hear the president talking about the debt ceiling, and the treasury secretary says we'll start running up against the debt ceiling on monday. that's a very controversial piece of the whole deal. they are talking about leaving that aside and revisiting it when we run out of the extraordinary measures that the treasury can put in place to keep us from hitti
to raise taxes. that was the real issue. gerri: in some ways he was talking about grover norquist. the man it is about this tax pledge where is the common ground there? >> the reason that we have a plan be now is because the houses are devoted to pass all of the bills. gerri: b how do you find common ground there? them and that's what the speaker was trying to do. he was talki about the race there now. as you saw, the president and the house, where we go from here, we need republicans who are seris about cutting the size of government and decide they're going to do something to that ball forward. republicans need to use their leverage in those battles. gerri: it's interesting. grover came out with a plan on people making a million dollars or more. he does not wall by the tea party. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] gerri: let's move on. i do want to talk about all this hotter in washington. she said republicans are like a reverse robin hood. taking food out of the mouths of babies and figures to give tax cuts for the wealthy. would you say that? >> first, she is obviously
, thank you so much. >>> the president's reported i get that for free comment not sitting well with grover norquist who joins us now. let met on this other thing, they've known a couple days the president would like likely life hawaii and opped into washington, d.c. and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plana,he ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxe on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the house of representatives and has strong support among republicans in the senate. the alternative is nothing. >> we know that's not going to pass the senate and we also know the white house isn't going to sign that. move on. my contention is after -- >> allow me. >> work with me. it's an important question. let's say president obama says we're go
the president and boehner. both times boehner could not deliver because they refused grover norquist to allow any tax revenues whatsoever. we had meetings with the vicead president, biden and cantor. cantor walked out of those meetings. he's the majority leader in the house. we had the gang of six, the gang of eight.we h we had this supercommittee, and they were doing good things, good things, dealing with spite elements and revenues -- entitlements and revenues.ents and a week before they were to report by virtue of statute, i get a letter signed by virtually every republican, too bad about the supercommittee, we're not going to do anything with revenues. so this is not a p n capsule ofa couch l of days. -- capsule of a couple of days. this has been going on for years. they cannot cross over theer threshold that has been built by grover norquist. people who are rich, who make a lot of money, they're not opposing the raising of taxes on them. i the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the rich are the republicans who work in this building. so anytime the speaker an
. both times, boehner could not deliver because they refused because of grover norquist to allow any tax revenues whatsoever. we had meetings with the vice president, biden and cantor. cantor walked out of those meetings. he is the majority leader in the house. we had the gang of six, the gang of eight. we had this super committee, and they were doing good things, good things, dealing with entitlements and revenues. and a week before they were to report, buy virtue of statute, i get a letter signed by virtually every republican, too bad about the super committee, we're not going to do anything with revenues. so this is not a capsule of a couple of days. this has been going on for years. they cannot cross over the threshold that has been built by grover norquist. people who are rich, who make a lot of money, they are not opposing raising the taxes on them. the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the rich are the republicans who work in this building. so any time the speaker and the republican leader come to the president and say we have got a deal for you, the
norquist and his pledge? >> it's odd because grover was the one sort of outside government institution on the conservative side who agreed with speaker boehner's plan "b" which would have allowed taxes to go up above $1 million in income. all the other conservative groups say no. i think grover's pledge, i don't know where it goes from here. obviously is doesn't have as much teeth as is it did because there are people who are willing to buck it. >> i think the key thing with the grover pledge though is that republicans feel like they're in such a corner here, the house is in disarray, boehner doesn't really know where his caucus is going to go. they're not really worried about grover's pledge. they're more worried about rebuilding the party and surviving this horrible moment when they barely control one chamber. >> okay. so i want to run this by you. charles krauthammer from "the washington post" has suggested this kind of complicated theory that the president has a bigger plan here. wonder if we can play this tape of what he says the president's strategy is. >> he's been using this, a
the philosophy's main spokesman is this man. grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge signed by almost all republicans in congress forbid signatories from raising taxes ever under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011, republicans demand the government reduce the deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose the ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorch earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. but in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to $1 trillion in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect starting january 2013. at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would expire. so the point is, we could'
the right has been captured by antitax interest by grover norquist, by people who won't come to the table and have a reasonable conversation about modest tax increases in relationship to modest cuts in spending where the majority of american people are. and so -- >> alexis, let's be honest. >> because the house is acting like bunch of kids. >> the president is backtracking on his deal because all he's concerned about doing is breaking house republicans on this issue, because he wants to get his agenda through before the 2014 election and he feels the best way to do this is make house republicans and john boehner who is now the least popular congressional leader look like bad guys. it's political heater and not good governance. >> heather: we appreciate you joining us. we'll see what happens. >> thank you. >> kelly: preparations are underway for the new year's eve celebration in times square. crews are hard at work putting the finishing touches on some old traditions and a few new ones. a special inscription on this year's ball is just one feature that organizers say will make this new yea
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